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Chaos plagues the land. In the West, the King in Orange blusters and bloviates endlessly in barely comprehensible gibberish. Perhaps he is attempting to call forth the Elder Gods? In the East, the Queen of Mayflies glowers menacingly and shakes a vaguely pole-shaped object1 at friend, not foe. The people cry out for deliverance from this turmoil, and one man, the nominal head of an obscure anarcho-syndicalist commune in the countryside believes he has the answer.

The Lady of the Lake, her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water, signifying by divine providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. That is why I am your king.

Waterytartocracy is the way forward, says he, the Lady of the Lake told him so. But who, or what, is this "Lady"?


She, or it, must:

  • Be able to live in a lake, or at least spend consecutive days underwater in said lake

  • Preserve one or more European swords of at least arming sword length in good condition underwater for extended periods of time

  • Possess one or more arms that can pass off as a human lady, preferably with the appearance of being clad in samite

  • From underwater, hear the sound of two empty coconut halves being banged together near the shoreline, so as to determine the Chosen One

Bonus points if she/it:

  • Actually looks like a human woman or mermaid, or at the very least has the silhouette of one while swimming when perceived from the shore

  • Can talk to humans, so as to participate in farcical aquatic ceremonies that confer supreme executive power

  • Breathe, move about, and otherwise function normally(for a human) on shore, also for the purposes of aforementioned ceremonies.

No actual magic is allowed.

1: Normally one might expect this to be a spear or scepter, but given the state of total confusion nobody knows what it actually is

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I suspect that she is a woman.

  • Be able to live or at least spend long periods of time underwater in a lake

"Long periods" is relative and opinion based. Kimberly Jeffries can hold her breath for six minutes even after having drank a load of coffee. Also notice that women are easily capable of outsmarting men, 'specially men who do not pay attention to their surroundings. The lady of the lake may dive only when someone approaches, and then she can use a snorkel made of reeds to spend really long periods underwater.

  • Preserve one or more European swords of at least arming sword length in good condition underwater for extended periods of time

Doable. I know plenty of women who have swords (I went to a fencing school). Preserving swords underwater would be hard but has been done. The sword of Goujian is approximately 2,500 years old and was found in a river without any tarnish. It is believed to have spent 2,000 years underwater.

  • Possess one or more arms that can pass off as a human lady, preferably with the appearance of being clad in samite

A human lady clad in samite will perfectly mimic a human lady clad in samite. Also, women generally have woman-like arms[citation needed].

  • From underwater, hear the sound of two empty coconut halves being banged together near the shoreline, so as to determine the Chosen One

As long as she is not deaf, that is a no-brainer. You can experiment yourself if you have access to a pool, a friend and a coconut.


Now let's see if I can collect a bonus.

  • Actually looks like a human woman or mermaid, or at the very least has the silhouette of one while swimming when perceived from the shore.

You would be surprised to find that women look like women.

  • Can talk to humans, so as to participate in farcical aquatic ceremonies that confer supreme executive power

For the vast majority of people throughout space and time, the first word they learned is "mommy" in whatever their native language is. This is usually taught by a woman, with most of your early vocabulary being learned by imitating her. I think this is enough evidence that women can, in fact, not only talk to other fellow humans, but also teach them how to do so if required.

  • Function normally on shore, also for the purposes of aforementioned ceremonies.

I am yet to see a woman fail to function normally on shore. Men, I've seen or read about plenty (Jackass and the Darwin Awards have a large set of examples of our shorely disfunctions), but women? Nope.

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    Ladies with lady-like arming swords? Madness. What will they think of next, shepherds that don't look sheepish? – nullpointer Mar 27 '19 at 11:22
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    Is Wolfgang really a gang of wolves? – Juha Untinen Mar 27 '19 at 11:24
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    Great, now my coworkers are looking at me like I am a weirdo for laughing so loud... – Secespitus Mar 27 '19 at 11:52
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    "Be able to live or at least spend long periods of time underwater in a lake" I can do that for much more than 6 minutes with a long reed to breath and a weight to keep me submerged.... – UKMonkey Mar 27 '19 at 12:11
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    You'd get a +1 anyway, but on reaching "You can experiment yourself if you have access to a pool, a friend and a coconut." I had to scroll up and vote immediately – Chris H Mar 27 '19 at 14:00
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    Just to make this even more plausible, there could be a cave, adjacent to the lake, with one entrance underwater and another hidden above ground. The 'woman' then simply does her normal business above ground, and swims into the lake only when the coconut-bearing potential monarch approaches. – DJClayworth Mar 27 '19 at 14:36
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    +1 for [citation needed] :D – orithena Mar 27 '19 at 14:56
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    "I am yet to see a woman fail to function normally on shore" - well, I personally saw the after-effects of a woman who, while being taught to drive by a former police driving instructor, managed to crash her car … into a police station. (Note, not into a police car. Into the actual building. In order to reach the building, she drove through a wooden fence, and across about 20 yards of garden). But feminists probably have their own definitions of "function" and "normal," so this might not count. – alephzero Mar 27 '19 at 15:12
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    -1 original research – Yakk Mar 27 '19 at 15:37
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    This is my favorite answer to any question on any SE site, ever. – asgallant Mar 27 '19 at 15:44
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    There is current art for the first quoted bullet point. The local major newspaper covered a recent convention on merfolk. It was quite clear that one requirement for cosplaying as mer is the ability to spend long periods of time underwater. Another requirement was wearing an appropriate outfit; a samite suit should be doable. – Codes with Hammer Mar 27 '19 at 15:47
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    For those of us who simply love women, no citation is needed :-) As for shorely disfunctions, no citation's needed, either... – Nahshon paz Mar 27 '19 at 16:09
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    @DJClayworth or even fancier, the cave could have an underwater tunnel leading into the lake. Then she'd just have to take the sword (which is preserved in the normal fashion, in the dry part of the cave) as she dives through the tunnel, and "magically" emerges from the lake. Once she's done her duty, she dives back in, goes into the tunnel, and pops up in her hidden lair, comfortably breathing air -- yet the would-be monarch never sees her re-emerge; even if he sets a detail to watch the entire shoreline for a week, she will not emerge again! – Doktor J Mar 27 '19 at 19:00
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    Uh, if you’ve never seen women fail to function normally on shore I invite you to take the train to London on the weekend. Ancient British history teaches of a ritual known as the “hen do”, which renders its participants unable to function normally by any standards and, in fact, barely recognisable as human. – Konrad Rudolph Mar 28 '19 at 13:46
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    In the immortal words of Shakespeare in Love: "That woman...is a woman!" – DJClayworth Mar 28 '19 at 16:40
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    Perhaps a less contentious uncited statement would be "Some women and men are able to function normally on a shore, so it is plausible that this woman is one of those lucky few." – IllusiveBrian Mar 29 '19 at 14:59
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    Re, "Preserve...under water..." Swordsmith accidentally discovered stainless steel. It was an incredibly difficult material with which to work, but the few weapons that he was able to fabricate were so much superior to all others that everyone thought they were charmed. Unfortunately, the secret went with him to his grave, and was not rediscovered until hundreds of years later. – Ohm's Lawman May 10 '20 at 15:50
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    The Sword of Goujian is made of bronze. Bronze swords were generally very short compared to other swords, even arming swords. That said, if your lady is already only spending a few minutes in the lake, even a carbon steel blade can do the same without rusting. – Nosajimiki Jul 23 '20 at 21:29
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    @besmirched Stainless steel was discovered a VERY long time ago in the form of meteoric iron. It was not made, but rather found. That said, carbon steel makes for a much better blade quality which is why it's so often still the first choice even today. – Nosajimiki Jul 23 '20 at 21:32
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She is a normal woman standing in a submerged bin

While she awaits the chosen one she sits on the stool. As soon as she hears the coconuts, she stands on the stool and arranges her samite robe to conceal the edges of the bin. She raises the sword aloft and waits for the future king to appear.

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Clearly there are variations. She could remain sitting with the samite already in place and simply raise her arm with the sword at the appropriate moment. She could have peepholes in the samite.


More complete diagram

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    +1 for the amazing artwork – GOATNine Mar 27 '19 at 19:22
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    +1 for adding srating that she is, in fact, a woman of the normal variety. – The Square-Cube Law Mar 27 '19 at 21:17
  • She's gotta have some amazing arms though, as she's been holding that sword in the air for 67 years now. – T.E.D. Mar 28 '19 at 01:55
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    @T.E.D. - Only when she hears coconuts which, tbh isn't very often. Especially in medieval Europe. – chasly - supports Monica Mar 28 '19 at 09:16
  • That bin will really, really, really want to float. – Harper - Reinstate Monica Mar 29 '19 at 05:46
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    @Harper Depends how dense the bin. – wizzwizz4 Mar 29 '19 at 07:08
  • @Harper - I did think about that but didn't want to make the diagram too complicated. I might add some anchors and show the bed-rock - maybe. – chasly - supports Monica Mar 29 '19 at 09:05
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    @chaslyfromUK exactly, it's not like you're just going to find them lying around in Mercia, the Coconut being tropical and non-migratory after all. – Joseph Rogers Mar 29 '19 at 12:09
  • @Harper it won't, actually, unless water can get under the bin. Which it can if the lakebed is porous. What material do English lakebeds tend to be, again? – John Dvorak Mar 29 '19 at 18:25
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    I can see the women sitting in a bin in a lake with a sword waiting for a random man banging coconuts together so that she can throw a sword at one of them "To declare him King"... It's the "Normal" part I don't buy. =P – Tezra Mar 29 '19 at 19:21
  • @Tezra - The medieval idea of normal was different from ours. I mean they had dragons for starters. Also the question is about anatomy and it is her anatomy that is normal. At some point I may produce the full diagram that shows the underground tunnel leading to the bin. The woman lives in a hut on one of the shores and is paid to be the guardian of the sword. – chasly - supports Monica Mar 29 '19 at 20:01
  • That house is actually castle Anthrax from Quest for the Holy Grail. The virgins take turns luring future kings in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXT_IOt81Xs – Nahshon paz Apr 16 '19 at 10:27
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Did you know some turtles can breathe through their butt?

Here we have a similar thing: a humanoid lady clad in long folds of her own skin, which just so happens to look like samite. Which, after some googling is apparently some kind of embroidered silk.

This species has a peculiar mating ritual: the males migrate over land towards ancestral spawning ponds and upon arriving there will tap together sticks (or similar objects, such as coconut halves) in a rhythmic fashion to entice the female to rise to the surface.

The female in turn presents the male with an object of choice. In a natural environment this is usually some kind of plant, shell, bones or even a dead mallard. In areas where humans are present the mating ritual will often involve either human detritus or even some votive offerings made by pagans in ages past.

Arthur is just quite blind, his servant very polite and the amphibian lady very desperate for a mate.

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    "Did you know some turtles can breathe through their butt?" with a link to the source. Damn, I love WorldBuilding.SE! :D – Secespitus Mar 27 '19 at 21:17
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Manatee are believed to have given origin to the myth of the sirens: their swollen breasts while breast feeding their younglings, their humanoid appearance, the human sounding sounds they can emit, together with the months long forced heterosexual abstinence experienced by old time sailors, could easily explain the "chanting naked ladies luring sailors to death with their voices".

Well, take a manatee adapted to lake or river life, and have it put out of the water a sword, which happened to be on the lake bed, right when a coconuts holder is passing by.

Some gentle moans of the manatee can sound to the ears of the adventurers like an invitation for a holy mission, of course said in a heavenly language not understandable by commoners.

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    +1 for a sensible answer, a manatee of the right hue could be a convincing facsimile of humanity – nullpointer Mar 27 '19 at 11:42
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    I think the lack of opposable thumbs might be a problem here - not sure how a manatee would go about "handing" swords to people... – Darrel Hoffman Mar 27 '19 at 13:18
  • @DarrelHoffman, if one offers it by holding it on its palms/fins, opposable thumbs are not needed and the gesture is even more sacred – L.Dutch Mar 27 '19 at 13:26
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    I've always wondered who thought up that urban legend, considering it's so obviously wrong. A manatee doesn't look even slightly humanoid, even at a distance - the best you can say is that it looks a bit like a hippo. (I've seen some women the size of small hippos, but I still wouldn't mistake them for an actual hippo. Or a manatee.) Their young don't suckle out of the water, so no "swollen breasts" visible unless you're swimming close enough to see it's a manatee. And the honking/grunting noises they make are hardly mistakable for a human voice, even at a distance. – Graham Mar 27 '19 at 14:15
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    It could grip it by the husks! Sorry, what were we talking about? – John Doe Mar 27 '19 at 15:28
  • #Graham Well, if the chosen one is drunk enough (on say, coconut ale)... – Nahshon paz Mar 27 '19 at 16:12
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    @Nahshonpaz In which case I'd refer you to the gay clubber saying that the difference between straight and gay is about 4 pints of beer. If I'm far gone enough to think a manatee's attractive, a man is still easier to get hold of. – Graham Mar 27 '19 at 16:56
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    That was the pun, it was just more subtle... – Sobrique Mar 28 '19 at 15:58
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    @Graham: Good points. What's more, sirens were originally depicted as bird-people rather than as fish-women, so they couldn't be based on manatees even if manatees were as humanlike as the urban legend implies. – ruakh Mar 30 '19 at 04:52
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The poor man had terrible visibility and was a braggart.

No one was actually there. He came upon the remains of a sacked merchant cargo at twilight. The cargo, including thick samite tapestries, was dropped, clumped and draped over debris and branches near a bog or pond. It just so happened that the lumps looked like a reclining female form with an outstretched arm handling a sword.

Unfortunately, there were dead bodies around the booty. So creepy is as creepy does, and no one looked too closely at the reclining form. Imagine coming up to a place that smells of mud, rot, and offal, with the sounds of scavengers being heard throughout the woods. No one wants to linger there. On top of which, very few people would want to set foot on uncertain terrain when visibility is, at best, enough to see shapes and shadows.

If I was in their shoes, I would take the closest bit of valuable pickings, which any bit of metal would be, at that time. I would then head straight for the closest village for heat, food and safety. And when pressed for how I got such a valuable item (the sword), I would say "someone gave it to me". The details would come later with every mead-induced retelling.

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In the West, the King in Orange blusters and bloviates endlessly in barely comprehensible gibberish.

I see what you did there.

Here's an idea: the Lady of the Lake was once the Orange King's rival to the the throne. She has been banished from the dominion, or has gone into hiding to avoid being cast into the dungeon by the King's overzealous constables. Thus, she stays in a wooded lake area adjecent to a rebel province, hunting wildlife, sometimes hiding in the water, under the lilies and foliage, to avoid being seen by the King's spies.

The Lady of the Lake was once the consort of a past mad king who was long-since deposed. Perhaps she is of royal blood; perhaps she knows dangerous secrets of the kingdom. She is sometimes rumored by her enemies to be a sort of demigod, cyborg, or alien hybrid. Perhaps she knows enchanted spells, or is in possession of a magical or scientific artifact she received as a gift during her time as Queen. Even the Orange King is suspicious that many of his own court are secretly loyal to her.

Suppose also that the Orange King was in fact a known imposter, one who claimed to be wealthy but in fact had lived most of his life on borrowed wealth. His army was indisputably smaller than the Lady's, but while her forces were scattered about the coastlines, his much weaker forces were concentrated into the middle of the country, allowing him to put local pressure on the antiquated priestly caste and forcing them to arrange a coronation ceremony in his honor.

Whenever a company of knights go out into the woods, they sound their trumpets as they approach the lake. When she hears them, and sees their banner, she silently raises her golden-hilted, gemmed sword above the surface, bearing the ancient national insignia. She thus proves, it is indeed I, the Lady. She communicates from within the water, reflecting light off of the sword as a sort of heliograph, keeping her a safe distance from the King's archers who patrol the frontier. The knights then share her received wisdom with their kin and allies, keeping hope alive.

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At what point in Arthur's description does it say the Lady of the Lake lives in the lake? She could just be a woman who lives in the general area of the lake and exerts control over it. The "ceremony" in the description only says that she was in the water when she gave him the sword.

There once was an old hermit lady who lived in a little cabin on an island in a large and deep lake. Once while gathering herbs along a path in the forest around the lake she found a rather nice sword, perhaps unknowingly dropped by a passing traveler. Several weeks later she heard the sound of clapping coconuts from across the lake and knew that brave knights were nearby. The sort of knights who might own a sword like she had found. Her boat was in poor repair at the time so she swam across the lake to greet the brave knights but the sword was rather heavy and she struggled with it. When Arthur reached the shore she summoned her last bit of the strength to lift herself and the sword out of the water but was too out of breath to say anything. Arthur took the sword and was so enamored by it that as he clip-clopped away to his destiny he didn't notice the poor lady was dragging herself onto the shore after nearly drowning.

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To question a Lady's habits is unbefitting of a dignified man

Aria of The Pond's exhibitionist tendencies to flaunt her water-adorned body under the moonlight is a known phenomenon among the people of the nearby village of Clovelly. In fact, despite her not having any contribution to the village, the inhabitants frequently send her meals in the form of a floating basket, due to her spending the majority of her time submerged under the reeds of the small pond. Understandably, outsiders who spots her meals mistakes them for offerings to the 'Lake Goddess'. The situation also gets worse when it has become tradition for outsiders to throw their perfectly usable swords somewhat dangerously into the pond as an offering for peace. Apparently, the elders describe her as 'easy-going', 'sweet', and 'polite', and 'a sparkling conversationalist', despite nobody having heard her speak at all. In fact, she is so shy that even at the slightest sign of an outsider, she retreats into the depths of the pond, brandishing the discarded swords at the sound of the banging of the two coconut halves she uses to summon her pet robin. Though she does not seem to be overly aggressive, I advise you not to disturh her in any way possible, as the village elders seem to have a liking for her.

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