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In a dystopian story I’ve created, humanity is in a near constant war, but is still more advanced than modern day humans. One weapon that is used in this war is called the “I.N”, short for imploding nuke.

The nuke, hereafter referred to as "the bomb", will at first explode like any other bomb, causing varying degrees of damage to the surrounding area. However, the shockwave will slow to a stop after two to four seconds before utterly imploding in and on itself, sucking in light weight objects before sending out a second intense shockwave that doesn’t cause as much damage as when it had previously exploded.

Could such a weapon be made, and if it can be made, then how?

jdunlop
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You can make it underwater: the explosion turns water into vapor, causing it to expand into a bubble.

Once the explosion is passed, the vapor condenses and the bubble collapses, causing an implosion.

Sort of a large scale cavitation, in other words.

Oh, that's also what happens with underground nuclear explosion: the rock is turned to plasma, once the plasma cools down the pressure doesn't balance any more and the cavity collapses.

L.Dutch
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  • video of cavitation and rebound due to a gunshot underwater in super slow mo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp5gdUHFGIQ You even get multiple pulses. And a buetifule explination from XKCD, https://what-if.xkcd.com/15/ – John Feb 26 '20 at 01:50
  • Not bad, but a bit incomplete. If using explosives, there will be an amount of gases generated, which won't completely collapse. If using nukes (or high energy electrical discharge or anything that doesn't add gases), one will need the temperature of the vapors to drop below condensation point for the bubble to collapse (would be an interesting experiment to produce a cavitation-like bubble in a viscous sugary syrup, with low heat diffusion, see the effect on the time to collapse) – Adrian Colomitchi Feb 26 '20 at 03:06
  • @AdrianColomitchi - Answer would be hard-pressed to improve upon the description in the xkcd article. Perhaps some selected quotes are appropriate addition to this answer. I beg to differ re: no gases in a nuke. You will certainly turn the bomb contents to plasma then gas when it cools, and you will dissociate quite a bit of water into elements that would recombine into H2, O2 and H2O2, etc. when they cool off as well as Helium (from Alpha particles) and other minor gases - a lot happens when you set off a nuke. – Gary Walker Feb 26 '20 at 03:29
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No chance at all in the manner described.

Its simple really, the pressure within the explosion radius is higher than the pressure outside. The pressure is high because everything was heated very rapidly in the explosion.

To reverse the outward motion induced by the higher pressure, you would have to either 1) apply greater pressure outside the explosion radius or 2) Suddenly massively cool everything within the current blast radius to lower the pressure (or a combination of these effects).

1) How can you apply greater pressure? You would have to have a pressure vessel of some form, or I suppose if you could invoke Star Trek force fields (very unlikely physics). Besides if you had such magical force fields, why wouldn't you simply employ them. There is also nothing in known physics suggests such force fields are possible.

The answer already supplied suggesting underwater/underground explosion is actually a suggestion to use water/ground pressure as the containment vessel for the explosion. This would not behave as you described, but it is probably about as close as possible in the real world.

2) You cannot cool something like an explosion with anything close to realistic physics. You can make stuff explode because you can release a great deal of energy via a violent chemical or nuclear reaction, but to remove heat from a system, you must dump the heat into a lower temperature region - or create an endothermic reaction (another form of heat dumping actually), however there is no known endothermic reaction that could affect the explosion as needed. Theory strongly suggests that such an exothermic reaction is simply impossible. Melting ice, or dissolving ammonium chloride or real-world examples of endothermic reactions which inherently have much less potential energy change than strong exothermic reactions, much less nuclear reactions.

Implosion bombs are used in science-fiction solely because they sound futuristic, not because they could exist short of Star Trek force fields, but why bother with them if you have that?


Re: extreme planetary conditions, very thick and/or cold atmospheres. As you approach extreme conditions, gas does begin to resemble liquid and you could see at least see some similar effects, but not really the same effects as an underwater/underground. Such extreme conditions would naturally preclude humans living on them of course.

The difference is that you are creating a phase change of water (or rock) into gas, and once the explosion has cooled sufficiently, it reverts to it initial phase state - this is the true source of the explosion collapse. Converting water to steam is roughly an expansion of 1700:1, so when steam changes back to water, it collapses by 1700:1.

Even under extreme atmospheric conditions, if you start off in the atmosphere a gas, then undergo an explosion the net result after cooling back off is also a gas. So, no collapse due to a phase change.

High pressures / low temperatures would reduce the blast radius, but not really change the nature of the explosion.

Gary Walker
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  • This is really informative, but could the 1st option ( pressure ) be solved by Using it on a planet that has higher gravity, and the second one ( cooler temperature) be solved by, well, using it in a vastly colder area. This is what I got from this answer – RotNDecay Feb 26 '20 at 02:44
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As other answers pointed out, this is possible when the bomb is enclosed by water or earth, but not so much in open air. I would like to try a different approach, which doesn't nearly so what you stated, but is the closest approximation of an imploding bomb I can imagine.

The bombing of Dresden was a ww2 attack by the allied forces on the city of Dresden, which remains controversial to this day due to both the cities military insignificance, and the gruesome bombing technique used.

Basically what they did is bomb the city, exposing every flammable item on the ground, then bombed it with incindiary bombs. This caused huge fires, and the heat rose to abobe 1500°C so rapidly it created a vacuum at the center. This vacuum sucked in anything around from chairs to tables to debris to people.

While I am no expert on bombs, I would imagine incindiary bombs in modern days could be (or maybe already have been) created with enough fuel to mimick this effect, perhaps on a smaller scale if not as many explosives are used.

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    A firestorm is not a vacuum at the center. It is low-density gas at the center because it is superheated and thus rises rapidly. Gas from outside the firestorm rushes in the replace the rising gas. Now, if you meant vacuum to simply mean reduced pressure (which would be true), you are correct. However, the common definition of vacuum is much less pressure than atmospheric. Much of the oxygen was consumed (changed to CO2) and this did suffocate people, not a major pressure drop. Pressure drop to near zero would cause windspeeds near Mach 1. Firestoms are more like 50-100 mph. – Gary Walker Feb 26 '20 at 21:51