45

A common topic in alternate history fiction works is the question what would have happened if a major conflict had been won by the other side. These usually focus on the events after the conflict, and the change itself is not depicted in a realistic way: it's either not discussed, or attributed to a superweapon or deus ex machina.

I know that the Cold War was a complex time, with a huge number of social and economic factors in it so that there was not single realistic "miracle" which would have guaranteed a certain different outcome, therefore I list a number of disclaimers, in order to make this question fit into the topic of this site.

It doesn't have to guarantee a Soviet triumph, but it has to significantly increase its probability. A victory doesn't necessarily mean complete global domination. If the Soviet Union ends up in control over most of the Eastern Hemisphere, it would count as a victory for the Communists.

The change has to be a single event, or a collection of tightly coupled and interdependent events. It has to happen either during the Cold War, or not more than a few years before it. The Cold War should, at least in the beginning, look very similar to what happened in real life: the alliances should be roughly the same, the events like the war against Nazi Germany, the occupation of Eastern Europe, the Communist victory in China, and a cold war between the USA and the Soviets should occur (or at least begin), even if at different dates or different order. The major participants should be the same.

The change should have a realistic justification (so no secret Soviet UFOs), I would think in the following changes: events progressing slightly faster or slightly slower than in real life, a single large event or series of interconnected evens tilting history in the Communists' favor (if that had even a small chance of happening).

I'm thinking along the lines of the Soviet Union and its allies advancing faster against the Nazis and crushing them before the Allied landings in Normandy, or Stalin not butchering his officer class so they could respond effectively to the Nazi invasion right away, faster scientific development for the Soviets in electronics, computers, space, missile and nuclear technology, the Soviets invading Japan before the Americans can mount a Pacific campaign, no US intervention in the Berlin Blockade, Korea or Vietnam, or a different sequence of diplomatic events leading to Soviet domination in either Asia or Europe which in turn could lead to a victory on the other continent, etc.

Tyler Mc
  • 902
  • 5
  • 16
Serban Tanasa
  • 60,095
  • 35
  • 188
  • 310
  • 2
    I will gladly credit this question for inspiration. – Serban Tanasa Dec 08 '15 at 18:13
  • 1
    Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been moved to chat. – Tim B Dec 10 '15 at 23:30
  • Friday, April 25, 1986. Quick thinking by a lowly floor worker in an anonymous power station prevents station from going offline. The Kiev grid controller sees that — with enough power stations online — the evening usage spike can be covered with ease. In other words, everything is "go" to let the Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant reactor #4 go offline as scheduled. The experienced crew at station brings down the power and performs a critical safety test. They have done this before, they know what it is all about... and the test proceeds normally. (continued) – MichaelK Sep 11 '17 at 11:44
  • Reactor #4 is safely brought to shutdown, the day crew goes home and leaves the "babysitting" of the turned off reactor to the less experienced night crew, and there is no gigantic steam explosion, brought on by the inexperienced night crew being forced to perform a test they did not know anything about, on a reactor built accordingly to stupidly dangerous design principles. The Chernobyl disaster has been listed as the beginning of the end. The Soviet system failed, and the failure was obvious to the world. But what if... – MichaelK Sep 11 '17 at 11:48
  • @MichaelK Wars, including cold ones are decided way before their actual end. Chernobyl NPP happened when outcome of cold war was already decided. – M i ech Oct 18 '17 at 10:49
  • 8
    That's funny: here in Russia we think that "both sides gave up on Cold War", while Western propaganda consistently boast how "we won and USSR lost it". This alone speaks a lot on who's agressive side in this. It is also funny to read other answer from Western readers that all insist that winning is somehow only possible by conquering more. People, you're just too hellbent on domination. Here in Russia and back in USSR people wouldn't care about you at all as long as you don't get your nose in our business. OTOH, you treating it as ongoing conflict that you must "win" back since WW2 or even bef – Oleg V. Volkov Dec 10 '15 at 16:57
  • 3
    @OlegV.Volkov "That's funny: here in Russia we think that "both sides gave up on Cold War" What evidence is there that the West gave up on the Cold War? The collapse of the enemy. That's not what "gave up" means. "This alone speaks a lot on who's agressive[sic] side in this." no, but it does say a lot about Russian historical revisionism: "we didn't lose, both sides just gave up!!" LOLOLOL – RonJohn Oct 28 '17 at 08:59
  • 2
    Here was me thinking that, as it stands at the moment, the Russians are edging a lead in a Cold War that's still very much alive in the respective president's heads... – Ynneadwraith Apr 12 '18 at 10:37
  • @RonJohn Thank you, for confirming every word I wrote. Enjoy satisfying your conquest hunger. – Oleg V. Volkov Jun 06 '21 at 06:32
  • @OlegV.Volkov I guess the US phrase "peace dividend" never made it into Russian. The US military budget was seriously slashed in 1992, and stayed low until 9/11. – RonJohn Jun 06 '21 at 08:04
  • @OlegV.Volkov didn't the Soviet Union basically collapse in on itself, something that would likely have happened even if the Cold War hadn't happened? Also you have to beware: all sides use propaganda. What makes you so certain that both sides gave up (Russian propaganda) rather than that the West won (Western propaganda)? And what is the middle road there? – Demigan Sep 06 '21 at 18:42
  • @Demigan It's simple - I actually lived here and can remember what was told and shown on TV/radio: entire Gorbachov reign and much of Yeltsin's was dedicated to praising how USA are good and our best friends. It's only around Yugoslavia times when Yeltsin finally felt that our "best friends" hug became kinda too tight. – Oleg V. Volkov Oct 22 '21 at 12:41
  • @Demigan please consult some historical research instead of popular ideas from mass media. You can start from CIA reports. Their factbook released just months before disbanding stated that USSR is 2nd biggest economy in the world. Also memoirs of politics and spy community of the time state many times that it wasn't expect nor WANTED event. That doesn't look anything like "something that would likely happened". – Oleg V. Volkov Oct 22 '21 at 12:45
  • @OlegV.Volkov my point exactly, you are just as vulnerable to the "popular" mass media and propaganda. Also just because something wasnt expected does not mean it wasnt likely to happen. From the tv/radio and information I have had today the groups that made up the soviet union decided to leave it, causing the collapse. Because its hard to change the socio-political structure of entire peoples that caused the collapse it would indeed be likely that it would collapse. – Demigan Oct 22 '21 at 13:09
  • @Demigan Unlike overwhelming majority of Western commenters I also have firsthand knowledge as I repeat: I lived here. From birth and until USSR's dissolution. I don't need to rely exclusively on "mass-media and propaganda". – Oleg V. Volkov Nov 05 '21 at 10:31
  • @OlegV.Volkov that is very interesting, but now you are pretending that only the people in the soviet union had the truth and any other country involved did not have any truth. This is unlikely, since after WWII and into the cold war propaganda was the name of the game. EVERYONE used propaganda heavily on both their own population and that of the opposition. This is again why I say that living in any of the cold-war participating countries makes you compromised as you cannot have avoided being expised heavily to the propaganda of the time. North America or Soviet Union doesnt matter. – Demigan Nov 05 '21 at 10:59
  • @OlegV.Volkov Actually comunist "lose" the first phase of the Cold War, ergo USSR really lose the cold war, because URSS does no exist more and the countries that the URSS precceded are no communist. Why am saying it with parenthesis that communist lose, because Sovietic Cultural Subversion is still a treath. – Erdel von Mises Nov 09 '21 at 14:44
  • @OlegV.Volkov Also what side is trying to desintegrate the society of the other side from inside, Western that is under attack of Sovietic Cultural Subversion founded by Russia, China, Iran, etc. meanwhile Western is no even trying to do nothing similar in the other countries. P.D.: Russia is a western country. – Erdel von Mises Nov 09 '21 at 15:05
  • @OlegV.Volkov By the law of the impossibility of communist there is no way of the URSS to be a second biggest economy unless (1) War Economy/NAZI Economy/State Capitalism is implemented like in Stalin's USSR. or (2) there is so many talent and potenciall that the 90% waste of comunist is no enough waste to give you second biggest economy, and given by the fact that post-soviet russia never was so powerful then the second is discardted. – Erdel von Mises Nov 09 '21 at 15:05

24 Answers24

43

Let's try this: in late spring of 1952, the Warsaw Pact launches a surprise invasion of Europe, and succeeds in sweeping NATO off the map. Great Britain is either overrun or remains free at your discretion.

Mid-1952 is chosen for the following reasons: Stalin is still in charge, and the US is bogged down in Korea. Stalin understands, on a gut level, that it's perfectly possible for a conventional conquest of half of Europe. After all, he'd already conquered the other half. The US is heavily engaged in Korea, and particularly air and artillery assets have been diverted to the effort. Combined with the general post-WWII decline in low-level American military effectiveness (which is being addressed by the US as a result of Korean experiences), Soviet armored forces are able to move faster than expected.

The elephant in the middle of the living room, of course, is the question of how to keep the conflict from going nuclear. As late as the mid-60s, I heard an ROTC officer casually mention that, in the absence of nukes, a reasonable projection of the USSR invading Europe had the Russians reaching the English Channel in two weeks, and the whole thing would go down in our history books as a classic doomed defense.

So, how to deal with this? Well, in 1952 neither U2s nor reconnaissance satellites were in operation, so intelligence about Russian military capabilities was very spotty (which would also work in the Russians' favor in assembling the invasion forces). The Russians had touched off their first nuke about 3 years earlier, and if they claimed to have produced more units than they had (which they did in any event) it would have been hard for US decision-makers to disregard those claims. Without ICBMs, threatening the Russian heartland with nukes via bomber delivery, especially if Great Britain is out of the picture, would have been a dicey proposition. The first jet strategic bomber, the B-47, had only been deployed for a year, was available in small numbers, and had teething problems. The primary strategic bomber at the time, the B-36, had the range and payload capability, but was horrendously slow (240 - 300 mph) had a 40,000 foot ceiling, and would have been easy meat for MIG15s. Further complicating a successful defense is that fact that, as the invasion progresses, tactical nukes become less desirable from the point of view of the invadees, who justifiably may conclude that they would rather not nuke their own people, and who are unimpressed by "It became necessary to destroy the village to save it".

EDIT - Per David Grinberg , a few additions. 2 weeks is indeed aggressive, but the distances are remarkably short. The classic choke point for a westward Soviet advance is the Fulda Gap, and from there it's only 400 km to Amsterdam, and 500 to the Cherbourg Peninsula. I'm assuming that the NATO armies were subject to the same sort of victory disease which had infected the US when they arrived in Korea. See Task Force Smith for depressing reading. It takes a certain amount of hard knocks for an army to get its collective head out of its peacetime arse, and the defenders simply wouldn't have had that luxury. From this distance in time it's hard to realize just how far the US Army had fallen from its WWII effectiveness levels, but reading about the early stages of the Korean war is educational. Again, this sort of thing is fixable in fairly short order (and with a lot of blood shed), but the defenders simply wouldn't have had much time.

I do not have an attribution for the quote I heard. It was casual conversation with an ROTC officer.

The USSR reputation mentioned is only partly applicable. For instance, the 1945-1952 period saw the introduction of the T54 tank with no real matching change in the US armory. And the Soviet steamroller is arguably the approach to use in Europe prior to the introduction of changes such as portable anti-tank missiles and precision munitions. The Germans, for instance, were unwilling to adopt defense in depth (since that meant starting with the assumption that they were going to lose a lot of territory, and they didn't have all that much to give up), and this left them vulnerable to getting their defensive forces hammered and shattered. With the Germans gone, the northern route over Belgium and the Netherlands into northern France does not seem like all that hard a push. And, as I say, the distances aren't all that great. 400 km (250 miles) is 2 weeks at an average of 20 miles per day.

Strategic surprise on the part of the WP forces would have been critical.

Brythan
  • 25,284
  • 10
  • 52
  • 103
WhatRoughBeast
  • 26,638
  • 3
  • 45
  • 94
  • 2
    Few notes: You should add that the US didn't have ICBMs until 1957-8. Can you also add some references for the 2 weeks claim? That sounds a bit aggressive to me. Also, the UK got their first nukes in 52, so how would the USSR prevent the UK's nukes? Finally, the USSR had a reputation of having old and outdated equipment that didn't fare well when it went too far from home. Are you sure that wouldn't come into play here? – David says Reinstate Monica Dec 08 '15 at 22:19
  • @DavidGrinberg - See edit. – WhatRoughBeast Dec 08 '15 at 23:45
  • 1
    In the timeframe you mention, what German army? The Allies might be willing to nuke their occupation zone. – o.m. Dec 09 '15 at 06:40
  • 1
    Thanks for MiG-15 remark. US nuclear strike would be via night raids and I thought Soviets got a gap there until MiG-17P circa 1954. I didn't know MiG-15 (actually MiG-15bis) was used as a night fighter successfully - it was used against night raids of B-29 in Korea. – kubanczyk Dec 09 '15 at 12:54
  • 1
    @DavidGrinberg while in WW2 Soviet equipment was only good for a few hundred km before the need to pause for a heavy maintenance cycle; even as it was being ground into the mud the German army remained an effective fighting force. If the US forces in Europe were as dysfunctional as the army in Korea was at the start of the invasion; a few hundred km of successful attack might be enough to destroy it as a fighting force. At that point even with a large portion of their hardware dead lined for maintenance there wouldn't be anything to stop the bits that were running from continuing the advance – Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Dec 09 '15 at 16:08
  • @DanNeely - Agree. That's what I meant by "hammered and shattered". – WhatRoughBeast Dec 09 '15 at 17:20
  • I don't think this would work out. You're accounting for the soviets maybe being able to stop a bomber from nuking Moscow, but what about having a bomber just nuke their main assault force? NATO would totally do that if a radioactive field would be the cost of taking out 2000 invading Russian tanks (especially since the dangers of radiation were not all that well understood back then). I am absolutely positive that Russia would not get past Poland before being hammered back into submission. – AndreiROM Dec 10 '15 at 21:38
  • 1
    @AndreiROM - If you'll notice, I suggested that "the Warsaw Pact launches a surprise invasion of Europe", not "Russia launches an invasion". The jump-off point for the invasion is E. Germany, not the Russian border. And, as I say, keeping the situation from going nuclear is the problem. If, for instance, Britain were credibly threatened with nukes, would they allow basing of US nukes? Well, maybe yes, maybe no. That's what one would call a historical contingency. – WhatRoughBeast Dec 10 '15 at 22:02
  • 1
    @WhatRoughBeast Why wouldn't the US try to launch a strategic Nuclear attack? Or are you arguing it would fail? Successive waves of Nuclear bombs really do make a mess of a countries air defense grid. I agree early on NATO would be leery of using tactical nukes but they had in depth plans for how they could use them to close choke points that they could have executed if needed? – sdrawkcabdear Dec 10 '15 at 22:57
  • 1
    Another interesting effect of lack of ICBMs on the nuclear front: there is really nothing stopping the US from using them on Russia or on Russian troops, since the Russians don't have any aircraft capable of hitting the mainland US. Even with control over Japan, the Russians wouldn't have had any presence in the the pacific capable of launching a nuke, since ballistic missile submarines came in the late 50s and Russian aircraft carriers not for another decade after that. – ckersch Dec 10 '15 at 23:09
  • 1
    @sdrawkcabdear - Why might the US not go full-bore nuke? Well, it's a damned big step, and if the Russians are believed to have a large pot of nukes of their own, the situation becomes pretty murky. Remember that current knowledge of Russian stockpiles doesn't count. What did we think they had at the time? Use of nukes invites retaliation, and particularly if Britain gets hammered we lose our main stepping stone for conventional forces needed on the continent. I'm not guaranteeing that we'd have held off - only that the decision would not have been simple and we might not have gone nuclear. – WhatRoughBeast Dec 11 '15 at 05:20
  • @DanNeely: In 1952 there was no German army. The Bundeswehr was founded in 1955. – Martin Schröder Dec 14 '15 at 21:43
  • 3
    @WhatRoughBeast: The Warsaw Pact was founded in 1955 (as was NATO). In 1952 you only have Soviet troops. No Germans and no relevant other forces. Remember: It's only seven years after WW2, most of Europe is still in ruins. – Martin Schröder Dec 14 '15 at 21:47
  • @ckersch: What "russian aircraft carriers" are you talking about? – Martin Schröder Dec 14 '15 at 21:48
  • @MartinSchröder the German army I was referring to was the WW2 one. That said, if the soviets attacked in the late 40s/early 50s with overwhelming force I suspect there'd be no shortage of German veterans volunteering to take up arms again. – Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Dec 14 '15 at 22:04
  • @MartinSchröder The Moskva-class helicopter carriers and the Kiev-class heavy aircraft carriers. Russia made a few starting in the late 60s and continued making them until 1990. – ckersch Dec 15 '15 at 02:18
  • 1
    A powerful persuasive answer. Of course, the one problem with it is that the question wants USSR to win the cold war, whereas this answer turns it into a full scale conflict. Not really all that cold any more. – Simba Oct 18 '17 at 14:16
  • Were there US tactical nukes in Europe at the time? – RonJohn Oct 28 '17 at 09:12
  • @RonJohn - Almost certainly. Here https://www.archives.gov/files/declassification/pidb/meetings/norris-addendum.pdf , for instance, foreign deployment of nuclear bombs apparently started in 1950. This would make a great deal of sense, since even with the long range of the B29, the range would have made such missions very expensive. I'd guess that Britain was a prime staging area, followed by Germany. Also note that in 1952 we "only" had about 1000 nukes, while the USSR had about 50. And these were all fission, but not tactical. That distinction came later. – WhatRoughBeast Oct 28 '17 at 18:44
  • @WhatRoughBeast that's what I figured, since we (US and Western Europe) had so many fewer troops than the Sovs, and nukes were the equalizer. I just didn't know when we started storing them in Europe. This definitely means that -- all else being equal -- the Sovs couldn't hae won in 1952. – RonJohn Oct 28 '17 at 18:50
  • @RonJohn - No, the question is whether or not we'd have used them. Note that the weapon totals are current knowledge, but back in the bad old days the USSR greatly exaggerated their strength, and we could not be certain they were lying. And even assuming they were lying, you should think long and hard about the effects of setting off several hundred nukes. – WhatRoughBeast Oct 29 '17 at 08:21
  • @WhatRoughBeast "you should think long and hard about the effects of setting off several hundred nukes." No doubt. But 1952 was a different time. While we knew how destructive they were, h-bombs weren't weaponized yet, we air-bursted them (which didn't kick up nearly as much dust, meaning minimal nuke winter), and "better Red than dead" wasn't even joked about in the Pentagon. Given fear of another Commie sneak attack, and our known lack of conventional ability to stop any invasion, I'm fully confident that we'd have nuked the crap out of them. – RonJohn Oct 29 '17 at 08:55
  • Perhaps you could bring the Suez crisis a couple of years earlier, this would then give a reason why Frnace and the UK were overstretched/distracted to make a russian offensive easier – jk. Aug 11 '20 at 08:54
35

Operation Overlord ending in disaster.

Hitler not falling for "it must be Calais". Rommel getting free reign to position his troops, and meeting the landing force early on with massed troops and tanks. The weather forecast being wrong and the troops having to land in heavy winds. There are so many well-known things that could have gone wrong.

With the advance in Italy stalled, and no easy way to pour Anglo-American troops into Europe, that would have meant the Russians steamrolling all over a collapsing Germany, and possibly all the way to the Atlantic too.

No real foothold for the USA in Europe, and all the spoils of war (jet and rocket technology, the Uranium, all the nice technology and brainpower that in our timeline got split up between the two powers) going to Russia alone.

No NATO. France, West Germany, Austria, none of those end up as part of the "western world". Wernher von Braun and his colleagues building ICBMs based on their A-4 / V-2 experience, not for the US but the Soviets.

That alone should have shifted the balance.

DevSolar
  • 1,243
  • 8
  • 11
  • 6
    Yup, absent an allied frontline meeting them, Stavka would have gladly kept pushing past Berlin to the Atlantic ocean if they could. – Peteris Dec 09 '15 at 19:29
  • 3
    I don't think you understand the context of the Allied invasion of Europe. Stalin was forcing their hand to act as soon as possible, as the Russians were barely able to hold the line any longer (and that's with a massive amount of supplies coming in from the US). If the Germans repulsed the invasion forces at Normandy they would have then turned their attention back to the Eastern front, and who knows what might have happened? Their victory would be far from guaranteed. – AndreiROM Dec 10 '15 at 21:44
  • 11
    @AndreiROM: I don't think you understand the WWII timeline. Operation Overlord was summer 1944. Let's have a look at a year before on the eastern front: 6th Army capitulates in Stalingrad. At the Battle of Kursk, the Germans fail at their last strategic offensive on the eastern front. Charkow, Donbass, Kiev are lost, the Wehrmacht in full retreat. In the Atlantic, the U-boats ceased their wolfpack attacks on atlantic convois due to unsustainable losses. Only then came the invasion of Sicily and Italy, which stalled at the Gustav line. Sorry, the US were quite late to the party. – DevSolar Dec 11 '15 at 07:53
  • 14
    @AndreiROM: It's a sad fact that US perception of WWII is quite skewed. They faced pretty much second-string troops for most of their campaign. The few exceptions have a specific ring to them: Hürtgenwald (where the Allied advance threatened the marshalling area for the Battle of the Bulge), and the Battle of the Bulge itself -- which was defeated not by US ground forces, but by lack of supplies. Sorry, but Russia broke Germany's military might. The US didn't even face it most of the time. What they did bring to the table was supplies, and air power. That did its part, but on the ground... – DevSolar Dec 11 '15 at 08:01
  • I was going to suggest no Pearl Harbor, along similar lines of though. - but was hestitant due to the impact it might have on lend-lease. – Taemyr Dec 11 '15 at 09:28
  • 1
    Not sure if I would describe the advance in Italy as stalled. Rome fell two days before overlord, and if overlord failed there would be a lot of assets available to aid in an Italian campaign. It would be slow going though, but might save at least France. – Taemyr Dec 11 '15 at 09:36
  • 3
    Rome fell after five months at the Gustav line. And if Overlord failed, there would be lots of assets available to aid in an Italian campaign... for both sides, and after tens of thousands of Allied soldiers had died on the Normandy beaches. – DevSolar Dec 11 '15 at 10:48
  • The USSR getting all of Europe also means sole access to V2 rocket technology, and all surviving German engineers. Without Wernher von Braun the US would be very behind on rockets, look at the list of NASA engineers in the 60s and there is a straight line to Germany. The USSR bankrupted themselves on military spending, imagine how much less they would have to spend with all the ICBMs. – Michael Shopsin Nov 27 '18 at 15:51
  • @MichaelShopsin: Second to last paragraph. – DevSolar Nov 27 '18 at 16:19
24

I could think of a couple of scenarios:

  • Trinity fizzles and the Manhatten Project stops to a crawl. The US wins WWII anyway, much as they did in the real world, then they demobilize almost as much of their Army. (The Navy becomes the strategic force, with conventionally-armed carriers ruling most oceans of the world.) A decade later, the US has only a few dozen first-generation bombs. During some crisis (Hungary 56?) the Soviets overrun Europe with conventional forces.
  • Communists win elections in one or more NATO countries in Europe. That's not completely far-fetched, just assume that the voters of the socialist parties got more extreme. Either cue the domino theory, or violent oppression which cripples those nations. The economic strength of the West goes down and the Soviets can out-produce them.
  • Chinese and Soviet leaders cooperate effectively. Improbable considering the rivalries, but it could be done by convincing just a few people ("hang together or hang separately"). China industrializes more quickly. The lower efficiency of communist Economies is compensated by much larger numbers.

Edit/clarification: I did not want to belittle the Soviet part of the WWII victory. I meant that the US defeats Japan much as they did in the real world. A fizzle of Trinity might have delayed Little Boy long enough for conventional firebombing to cause a Japanese surrender, and that would have slowed the post-war nuclear program.

o.m.
  • 114,994
  • 13
  • 170
  • 387
  • Italy, France and Greece come to mind! – Serban Tanasa Dec 08 '15 at 19:30
  • 1
    @SerbanTanasa, don't think small. France and Germany. – o.m. Dec 08 '15 at 19:35
  • 1
    @o.m. I think you're on the right track with your second point. The cold war was won by economies (and by extension politics/government), not armies (at least not directly). The US won by containment, but its kinda hard to contain all of Europe. – David says Reinstate Monica Dec 08 '15 at 22:23
  • 4
    Just Trinity fizzling wouldn't've mattered. We did the trinity test because we weren't sure if the highly complex implosion design of Fat Man would work. We didn't test Little Boy before use because the gun type mechanism it used was so simple that there was no doubt it would work. The increased delay before dropping a second bomb might have extended the war; but even if we weren't able to debug the implosion design for several more years there would be a US nuclear arsenal. – Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Dec 09 '15 at 16:21
  • 3
    The US wins WWII anyway, much as they did in the real world. -- I beg your pardon? I grant the US winning the war against Japan in the Pacific, but...?!? – DevSolar Dec 09 '15 at 18:05
  • 1
    @DevSolar The US also had a sizable force in Europe (remember storming the beaches of Normandy?). Hitler killed himself because of the twin jaws closing in: USA from the West, USSR from the East, with no hope of winning. –  Dec 09 '15 at 18:21
  • 6
    @Snowman France was a sideshow in 44/45. The Russian army in the east dwarfed the combined US/UK/etc force in the west; and would've taken the Germans down regardless of what the west did. – Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Dec 09 '15 at 18:32
  • 1
    If anything, the US's most important contribution to the German defeat was probably something that gets little respect: Knocking Italy out of the war. While the rugged terrain denied any hope of a breakout, when the Italian military collapsed the Germans were forced to use most/all of their 40 division strategic reserve to occupy northern Italy and replace Italian garrisons in the Balkans. The result of that in 44 was that there were no reserves large enough available to plug the huge hole in German lines when Operation Bagration shattered Army Group Center and crippled future German defense. – Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Dec 09 '15 at 18:40
  • 4
    @DanNeely: The US providing supplies for the UK and Russia was the biggest contribution. By the time US troops set foot on mainland Europe (1943-09-03), Germany was completely and utterly on the defensive. – DevSolar Dec 09 '15 at 18:58
  • Firebombing is not what would have won the war with Japan without the bomb. The US identified about 70 strategic cities and had firebombed all but two of them: Hiroshima and Nagasaki, yet they still had not surrendered. Instead, it would be submarine warfare. We short-changed our sub fleet there, but without the bomb, would have increased submarine sinking of fishing vessels, starving the Japanese populace. Death by famine was picking up and this would have sealed it. – Paul Chernoch Dec 09 '15 at 22:40
  • @PaulChernoch, that question remains controversial. For fictional worldbuilding purposes, one can easily assume that Japan would have surrendered within a few weeks even without the bombs. – o.m. Dec 10 '15 at 07:20
  • 2
    japans surender coencides with russia declaring war on japan... Bomb or not the game was over. I have the feeling that the bomb is a graceful excuse. – joojaa Dec 10 '15 at 12:46
  • @PaulChernoch there were five potential targets excluded from large scale conventional bombing to allow more accurate estimation of the atom bombs effectiveness (and one, Kyoto, that was ultimately excluded from both lists due to its historic significance). Nagasaki wasn't even the primary target for fatman. Kokura was the primary target that day; but was too obscured by clouds and smoke to allow accurate visual aiming. – Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight Dec 14 '15 at 22:13
  • Without nuclear bomb, war in Pacific would be very different. Recall that Okinawa was devastated by a hurricane in October 1945 - it was exactly the time when USA would be preparing for the invasion of Japan - and again, kamikaze, holy wind, would prevent invasion of Japan, sinking the invasion armada. Stalin ground forces would be not damaged and he could occupy China. USA cannot stomach to build yet another invasion force, Japan avoids capitulation. Victory in Pacific would completely different. – Peter M. - stands for Monica Dec 14 '15 at 22:49
  • @PeterMasiar, we can't know that, and we're on the worldbuilding site. A Japanese surrender after another month of conventional bombing is a perfectly valid AH departure point. By any rational measure, the firebombing of Tokyo and other cities was more devastating than the nuclear bombs. – o.m. Dec 15 '15 at 06:38
  • You are right about the bombing. But even in AH, behavior of the warring parties should not be too different. Japanese were ready for defending their island against the invading forces to the last civilian. Historian mostly agree that they preferred to surrender to USA than to fight another war with USSR, which was attacking in Manchuria and could occupy Hokkaido and take revenge for Tsushima. – Peter M. - stands for Monica Dec 15 '15 at 15:30
20

Lenin is only lightly wounded in failed assassination. He survives, excludes Stalin from Central Committee and succeeds in establishing New Economic policy which was more capitalism-oriented, like China's Socialist market economy and Stalin does not have chance to cancel it. Cult of personality exists, but avoids worst excesses.

Lenin also avoids executing top military experts as Stalin did, so USSR is better prepared for war with Germany, and victory is one year faster (Germany is defeated in autumn 1944), and more decisive for Red Army - USA meets USSR on German borders with France, over-running Germany completely and including whole Germany in Eastern block.

As a result, Werhner von Braun and his team is captured by Russians, (instead of by USA, Operation paperclip ) and USSR has vastly superior rocket technology than USA does (no Redstone rocket, winning space race and landing on the moon before USA does. After stealing results of Manhattan project with their superior spies, and putting stolen nukes on top of their superior rockets, USSR is dominant superpower.

Cold war is won, but let's continue:

Split with China's communists is avoided (by power of Lenin's cult of personality), and China's economic reforms, modeled of Lenin's NEP, can start 20 years sooner, avoiding the disaster of Great Leap Forward.

If you feel extra generous, USSR also invites Jewish scientists expelled from Germany, like Einstein, increasing scientific prestige of USSR for relatively cheap price.

With ability to direct huge resources of state-owned companies, and special natural resources like rare metals, USSR and China can buy lots of influence in Europe and can guarantee their allies better security (or else, such security guarantee would be of course blackmail, but heck, it does work) and access to rare metals and other resources. USSR and China insist on transfer of technology and know-how as condition of access to their markets (and have access to German engineering skills).

World looks much different. USSR won the Space Race (using the same Saturn V build by von Braun, but launched from Baikonur) with appropriate gain in prestige (increasing it's ability to recruit spies). And possibly by now there is USSR-China-Germany joint Permanent Moon Colony, which is working on electricity-powered rail gun to launch humans to Mars. Yes, it costs trillions. Trillion is about a dollar per day per citizen each year. USSR/China/India sphere of influence, with total population 3 billion and including Germany and possibly all Europe, can afford it, especially if they don't need spend much money on army.

Edit 6 years later: ... and it starts looking that China is working hard to beat USA in next cold war and dominate the future. Will USA and EU get their wits together and start competing and beating China?

  • 3
    I was just about to post this same answer! My only addition was going to be the USSR seeming much more appealing post-WW2 to the European countries, which form an alliance with the USSR instead of the US. With Europe operating as a cohesive block and the US lacking non-Soviet trade options, American communists win control of the government, promising integration with the USSR. – ckersch Dec 10 '15 at 23:15
  • 2
    The Russians never trusted their German rocket scientists. They got the Germans to teach their own Soviet rocket scientists everything. The Germans didn't work on Soviet rockets. Russian space engineers would have done the rest. Von Braun would have watched Korolev's rockets land on the Moon. This doesn't change your Soviet won Space race. It only clarifies a small detail. The Russians had more reason to hate the Germans. – a4android Jul 30 '16 at 08:28
  • @a4android - Yes, I agree that "Von Braun would have watched Korolev's rockets land on the Moon". But without Stalin's paranoia, collaboration would be better - and Korolev was able to build R-7 which is most successful rocket family, still going strong. – Peter M. - stands for Monica Oct 18 '17 at 14:27
13

This doesn't seem hard. I always thought it was pretty amazing that the U.S. won.

I can easily posit one triggering event: Ronald Reagan loses the 1980 election. Instead the winner is a weak pacifist.

Then the U.S. remains paralyzed and humiliated by the hostage crisis in Iran. The U.S. develops no strategy to combat the Soviets in Afghanistan. Afghanistan falls, and so the rest of the Middle East, already Soviet-leaning, becoming solid Soviet allies. Any that don't are invaded or subverted. The Soviet take-over of Grenada is unopposed. Emboldened by this, the Soviets, acting through Cuban and Grenadian proxies, take over other governments in the Caribbean, and then in central and South America. Meanwhile, the U.S. begins dismantling its nuclear arsenal while the Soviets give little or nothing in return, perhaps with the idea that this gesture of peace will somehow win over the Soviets, perhaps because the U.S. is outmaneuvered and/or duped in arms control talks. You can write a variety of endings to that story, but the general theme is a U.S. declining in military power and political influence until it cannot stand up to the Soviets.

Scenario 2: The Soviets invade western Europe. They tell the U.S. that if it tries to intervene, they will launch a full-scale nuclear attack. The U.S. is not prepared to sacrifice tens of millions of its own people to save Europe. It engages in some face-saving gesture but backs down and does little to stop the Soviets from taking over all of Europe.

This scenario seems eminently plausible to me. During the 1960s and 1970s there was talk of a "telephone war": the Soviets would call the president and tell him to surrender, and the U.S. would cave in rather than risk a nuclear war. I don't know if there's any evidence about what the Soviet government really thought at the time, but many Americans believed that the Soviets were much more willing to take casualties than Americans were. Many Americans believed that as long as the Communist Party was confidant that their leaders could survive in bomb shelters or remote areas, that they would gladly sacrifice millions of ordinary Russians if that's what it took to win a war. But the United States would not.

Many people questioned at the time if the United States would risk a nuclear war to defend Europe. Many have said that the job of U.S. soldiers in Europe and South Korea was and is not to repel an attack, but rather to die, so that the United States would have to go to war to avenge their deaths.

Scenario 3: Subversion. There were plenty of communists in the United States in the 1950s and 1960s. It's popular today to laugh at the paranoia of Joe McCarthy et al. But in fact when the Soviet Union fell and westerners were able to access KGB files, it was found that most of the people McCarthy accused of being communists were, in fact, paid spies in contact with the Soviet government. One book I read claimed that literally EVERYONE that McCarthy accused turned out to be either a member of the Communist Party, a paid Soviet agent, or in contact with the Soviet government. I haven't researched it to find out if that's true. But it's clear that the Soviets did have a systematic program to plant agents in the U.S. government, and that even without that, there were plenty of Americans who were communist "true believers". It's not that hard to imagine that if these efforts, by Soviet and by American communists, had just been a little more successful, that communists might have taken over the government -- won a majority in Congress, elected a president, etc -- the U.S. could have turned communist, the two sides declared unity, and the Cold War ended with a communist victory. Harder to pick one single triggering event for such a scenario. Maybe this scenario is less plausible than others: more and bigger things would have had to happen differently.

Jay
  • 14,988
  • 2
  • 27
  • 50
  • 4
    Uh, the Soviets got bogged down in Afganistan with little aid from US at first. The equipment and troops deployed there were no where near enough to deal with the mountainous terrain and gorilla troops hiding is said mountains. – Ryan Dec 08 '15 at 23:09
  • 1
    @ryan - The Russians did just fine for a while. The tanks and such weren't enough, but the Hinds (MI-24) ruled. It was only after we started sending Stingers and crippled the Russians' air support that the Muj were able to win. – WhatRoughBeast Dec 09 '15 at 00:06
  • 2
    "Ronald Reagan loses the 1980 election. Instead the winner is a weak pacifist. " Already done. "American Dad" has an episode http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0920930/ where Stan goes back in time to the early 70s, in passing convinces Martin Scorsese to give up coke. Scorsese makes "Taxi Driver" with John Wayne instead of Robert DiNiro, which is so bad Hinckley does not try to assassinate Reagan. Without the sympathy from the attempt, Reagan loses his second term to Mondale, who surrenders to Russians after 47 days in office. – WhatRoughBeast Dec 09 '15 at 00:15
  • 11
    There are gorillas in Afghanistan? ;) – fgysin Dec 09 '15 at 13:38
  • @ryan Would the Soviets have lost in Afghanistan even if the US had not supplied Stinger missiles and other aid to the mujahideen? Maybe. I think a Soviet victory in that scenario is PLAUSIBLE, ,and when we're speaking of alternate history, that's pretty much all one can say. – Jay Dec 09 '15 at 14:18
  • 18
    I find scenario 1 unlikely. By 1980, the Soviet Union was already well on the way to collapsing under its own weight. President Reagan may have helped things along some, but he was mostly just lucky enough to be the guy who happened to be President at the time when the inevitable finally occurred. If "a weak pacifist President" had won instead, the USSR would probably still have collapsed right on schedule. Maybe a few years later, but not by too much. If you really want to change the course of history, you'll have to move the fulcrum back a lot further. – Mason Wheeler Dec 09 '15 at 18:28
  • @MasonWheeler One can, of course, debate what-if's endlessly. Yes, the Soviet Union was in trouble of its own making. Reagan -- along with Margaret Thatcher and Pope John Paul -- worked to add to the pressure. If they had not done so, would the USSR still have fallen, or would they have recovered? I don't think the fall of the USSR was inevitable. The Roman Empire was tottering but managed to limp along for centuries. – Jay Dec 10 '15 at 23:57
  • 6
    @Jay: Sure, but the Roman Empire wasn't built upon an inherently contradictory ideology that could never be stable long-term. The USSR was: it expected the people to put aside greed and selfishness and cooperate for the good of all, while at the same time explicitly rejecting and even attempting to stamp out the one aspect of human nature that can actually get people and populations to do so: the religious impulse. The Romans weren't that dumb. – Mason Wheeler Dec 11 '15 at 00:33
  • For scenario 2 you ignore the french and uk nuclear options. Both would be used eventually. – Martin Schröder Dec 14 '15 at 21:51
  • @MartinSchröder Sure, in that scenario the French and the Brits would have used their nuclear weapons before being conquered. Would that have been enough to stop the Soviets, though? Their arsenals are and were relatively small. For that matter, maybe they wouldn't have, on the reasoning that if they did, the Soviets would have responded in kind, and if you're going to be conquered, it's better not to be flattened by nuclear war first. The Germans had stockpiles of chemical weapons during WW2 that they never used for fear of retaliation in kind. – Jay Dec 15 '15 at 14:40
  • 1
    Can you give some sources for your scenario 3 possibility? Namely the book that claims that literally EVERYONE that McCarthy accused turned out to be either a member of the Communist Party. Or some other sources that made the same claim that you did? – Fluidized Pigeon Reactor Apr 04 '17 at 00:49
  • @FluidizedPigeonReactor The book I was referring to is "Treason", by Ann Coulter. https://www.amazon.com/Treason-Liberal-Treachery-Cold-Terrorism-ebook/dp/B000FBFNYW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1491420510&sr=8-1&keywords=treason+coulter – Jay Apr 05 '17 at 19:28
9

If Henry Wallace had become President of the United States.

In our world, of course, Henry Wallace was the U.S. vice president in President Franklin D. Roosevelt's third term (1941-1945) but not the fourth term -- Harry Truman was selected as FDR's running mate instead. Truman became president when FDR died a few months later.

The policy set by President Truman, and generally continued by his successors, was to contain communism. Truman backed up this policy with major efforts including the Marshall Plan to economically rebuild Western Europe, the Berlin Airlift to sustain West Berlin during the Soviet blockade, and the Korean War to stop communist North Korea from taking over South Korea as well.

Wallace, who was far more sympathetic to communism and the Soviet Union, would have had very different policies. It's easy to imagine President Wallace presiding over an era of unimpeded communist expansion. Especially since...

Had Wallace become president, a number of the men to whom he intended to give cabinet and other top positions were Soviet spies or agents.

"Just When You Thought Soviet Propaganda Was Dead," by Ronald Radosh, Wall Street Journal, January 10, 2013, http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323482504578229663495014162

jkdev
  • 199
  • 1
  • 6
  • 'Had Wallace become president, a number of the men to whom he intended to give cabinet and other top positions were Soviet spies or agents.' This already happened. Check out Alger Hiss and Harry Dexter White – Mike Vonn Dec 10 '15 at 14:45
  • 1
    @Mauser Wallace as President means that there would have been more Soviet spies in DC. – RonJohn May 14 '17 at 17:12
  • @RonJohn - Nice statement, but untestable. My point was that we already had soviet agents getting top cabinet positions. Harry Dexter White engineered the Bretton Woods agreement and was chief architect of the International Monetary fund, for goodness sake. – Mike Vonn May 15 '17 at 15:12
  • White was a Communist spy... who designed the economic system (Bretton Woods) which ensured decades of US domination of the world economy. Thanks, Communist spy!!!! – RonJohn May 15 '17 at 15:17
5

1948: Truman listens to his top advisors and the Berlin airlift does not happen at all. The Soviets see no serious opposition from the West and continue their piecemeal conquest of Europe. France perhaps installs a communist government even before the Russians arrive. The Russians, for decades, do not have to guard their western frontier as they had to from the end of WWII to 1991. The lack of NATO means the Russians can seize Middle East Oil relatively easily. Facing only the Chinese as a real threat and with free oil, the Soviets don't collapse despite the inherent flaws with real socialism/communism and with the way they actually practiced communism.

user1008090
  • 218
  • 1
  • 4
5

Operation Unthinkable is launched. One the verge of VE day the allies attack the Soviet Union. And they lose. They are pushed out of Europe. The large oceans between the two powers turns to a cold war, which the now dominant USSR wins.

PCSgtL
  • 5,295
  • 14
  • 26
5

WW3 happens

Any nuclear exchange would most likely end in USSR owning what's left of Europe. There were several periods when one of the sides had advantage in ICBMs over the other (or at least they thought they had). But it was merely an uninterrupted string of "NO" decisions made back then. Any of them going "YES" would result in both sides owning their half of nuclear wasteland.

Agent_L
  • 3,580
  • 14
  • 21
  • 2
    That would be a Pyrrhic victory. – Trang Oul Dec 11 '15 at 11:03
  • 2
    @TrangOul Probably yes. Nevertheless, it satisfies OP's criteria. If he wants to tweak more, he can give Soviets faster development of ICBMs and have the outcome acceptable for Eurasian side. – Agent_L Dec 11 '15 at 11:13
4

It's all about the economy

The Soviets eventually lost the cold war because their economy lagged horribly behind American. Free enterprise allowed the Americans to innovate, improve and export.

A booming economy meant plenty of tax dollars to spend on weaponry and research.

Ultimately Star Wars lead to glasnost and perestroika

The Star Wars missile defence system would have lead to a whole new arms race. Gorbachev recognised that the ailing soviet economy could not afford to keep up, and so attempted reconciliation, a policy which ultimately lead to the fall of the Berlin wall and the break up of the USSR.

The solution is to improve the Soviet economy

A capitalist society allows lots of people to "have a go". Most of them will fail, and when they do, that company goes down. Some will succeed. Ultimately the economy improves.

A communist society on the other hand allows centralised bureaucracies to make decisions for everyone. If they fail, everyone loses. It's a more brittle system because there's a single point of failure.

We now know that Communism and central control ultimately lead to corruption and bad decisions. However at the time of its conception, this was far from obvious.

Some alternative form of central control might work better. Some sci-fi concepts might be:

  1. Control by an AI or alien intelligence which is incapable of making wrong decision.
  2. Competition amongst bureaucracies, backed by accountability.
  3. Eugenics, or genetic manipulation creating a smarter ruling elite.

A more prosaic solution might be a communist/capitalist hybrid such as we now see in China.

References:

http://www.academia.edu/8275555/Causes_of_the_Collapse_of_the_U.S.S.R._under_Mikhail_Gorbachev

superluminary
  • 5,589
  • 2
  • 25
  • 30
  • Your own source mentions that people as far back as Khrushchev recognized the need for reform. No SDI back then. – RonJohn May 14 '17 at 20:43
  • 1
    +1 because it really is all about the economy. But you only really needed the last line of your answer -- if the USSR only needed to implement just a few of the reforms that are now making China rich in order to have survived. – Simba Oct 18 '17 at 14:23
4

I hate such brutal actions as tank attacks. To properly rule time, you need to look deeper for minimal reality changes. Read The End of Eternity

Start with Charlie Wilson, US senator who helped to arm Afghan guerrillas with shoulder-lauched Stinger missiles. USSR has total air superiority until then. Before his first trip to Pakistan, Wilson had hit-and-run car accident, but was able to leave USA before investigation started.

Stop him from leaving, and put him in jail instead. No Stingers, USSR uses its air superiority to brutally suppress Afghans, in which looks like a military victory. Good enough for Gorbachev to claim victory. USSR is victorious, USA is humbled. USSR does not collapse.

3

Option 1 (fast). The Marshall Plan for reconstruction of Western Europe after WWII is badly mismanaged. That would both badly weaken NATO and discredit the U.S. and capitalism in general in Europe. Then multiple NATO countries go communist in about the 50s or early 60s.

Option 2 (slow). The Cold War takes a couple more generations and the spread of communism and radicalism within Western academia produces a generation of leaders the Soviets can co-opt.

Stephen
  • 39
  • 1
  • I have to wonder if the ideas of communism and radicalism would have spread within Western academia if the Cold War was still ongoing. It seems to me as though it's one of those things that we're now separated from to the point that we are able to focus on the good parts. If we were still involved in the Cold War, I can't see communism/socialism/radicalism gaining that foothold, because it'd still be "the system of the enemy". – John Robinson Dec 09 '15 at 20:06
3

A significant nuclear accident on US soil, ideally before Sputnik.

It would have two major impacts:

  • Americans would grow more distrustful of nuclear work, removing public support for the arms race.
  • Americans would look inwards to fix the accident, both leading to less support for foreign relations and more money and political capital spent on this rather than the space race, which in turn harms American influence around the world.
Serban Tanasa
  • 60,095
  • 35
  • 188
  • 310
Telastyn
  • 5,639
  • 21
  • 30
  • Nope. Not nearly enough. Sure, some US policies might change, but the USSR had major issues of its own which were already well on their way to causing major economic issues. Their collapse would come no matter what the US did with its nukes. – AndreiROM Dec 10 '15 at 21:46
  • 2
    There was a nuclear accident on US soil in 1959. It was only a few miles from where I grew up. It was no Three Mile Island, but it was a partial meltdown. I'd like to say the government covered it up, but they hardly even knew it happened, or how serious it was. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_Reactor_Experiment – Mohair Dec 10 '15 at 23:14
3

Event: Manhattan project (the atomic bomb) fails or at least is delayed by five years.

Inmediate result: - Delay on the ending of WWII in absence of an atomic bomb. Hence Soviet Union occupy all Korea (so Korea war never happens), USA wastes more resources to finish off Japan, Japan ends more devastated. - Increment of resistance to japanese occupation forces in Asia (Vietnam, Phillipines, Malaysia, Indonesia) => Increase of local Communist power. - Land and Lease exports from USA to Soviet Union continues for a longer time.

Potential results: - Vietnam liberates by itself of Japan occupation. So France does not try to restore their colony there => Vietnam war comes early. - Soviet Union can invade occidental Europe or South Asia because no deterrence is available without an atomic bomb. - Taiwan might never exist, because japanese forces are still there. China is a single country.

Santiago
  • 654
  • 4
  • 10
3

Of course this is cheating, but instead of relatively weak 1959 Yellowstone earthquake let's have full scale Yellowstone Supervolcano explosion.

1 foot of ash 1000 miles downwind (east) all the way to Denver. Inch up to Chicago, St Louis, and almost to Austin, TX, and Washington, DC. 100K people die immediately. Ash is not like wood ash, more like glass wool. Animals cannot graze and die. Water sources are polluted. All transportation north of Albuquerque, NM disabled for months.

How yellowstone supervolcano eruption works

USA has other problems than trying to win Cold War. Space Race was never a race - USA cannot afford the entry ticket. Tens of millions of refugees, with lungs damaged by silica (and deaths for few decades). Cornfields of Iowa under 4-8 inches of ash. Engines in car are damaged by bust and break often, increasing the cost of maintenance. Etc etc.

  • 2
    Nor sure I would rate this as USSR winning. They lose less badly than USA, but it would be fairly horrible globably. – Taemyr Dec 11 '15 at 09:25
  • 1
    Globally there could be a cold summer or two, and global economy will slow down somewhat. But damage will be centered in USA. USA will be devastated, no more a superpower. Vast areas of prime agricultural land unusable for many decades. Look at the map. – Peter M. - stands for Monica Dec 11 '15 at 17:06
3

The author did not specify what he considers the winning criteria.

So, here I envisage the development. This is from the point of view of expectations of an optimistic Soviet citizen.

Let's start in mid-1980s. The only change you are asking for: the Perestroika went well.

As the ideological basis for further development was chosen the "Convergence theory". That is, the idea, that Capitalism and Socialism converge to a single highly-developed and highly ethical, just society. The USSR started to develop into direction of Scandinavian countries (with which the USSR already had a lot in common). But instead of introducing of Capitalism, Soviet planning system was thoroughly reformed to utilize huge computing power of newly-available computers as well as market-like machanisms dealing with virtual "currency" that would provide feedback. The system was, say developed in international cooperation, with European countries, and as such, was introduced there as well, and in other countries worldwide. This produced the international real-time planning system, that would gradually replace stormy and unpredictable "capitalist" market exchanges.

The relations between the USSR and the rest of Europe is deep multi-dimentional cooperation. In ethics, the USSR was able to convince the majority of the world that big financial inequality, free markets, paid healthcare and education are unethical. So, along the transition to real-time planning, most countries in the world also introduce welfare state.

This is not the case of the USA though, which refuses to participate in this new international real-time planning mechanism, and whose citizens still do not enjoy welfare state (free healthcare, education, guarantee from becoming homeless etc). This is viewed worldwide as vestiges of the wild and cruel past, and completely unethical (as well as usage of capital punishment which is abolished worldwide). Many in the US agree with this point of view.

Finally, a huge financial crisis strikes the USA, who is not protected by the regulation mechanism the rest of the world uses. Many become homeless and bankrupt, there are race riots and all other bad things happening. Finally, a left-wing politician of the type of Sanders comes to power, and cites Scandinavia as a model for development. He openly says he supports Socialism (but not as radical as in the USSR he says). This is universally agreed in American society as the only possible way to go. The USA joins the international planning system, introduces free healthcare and other social guarantees.

So, in this scenario, the USA still remains, but the USSR is at the lead in science, international cooperation and economic development.

Anixx
  • 5,306
  • 22
  • 42
0

Depends on what you consider winning (your question mentions control of Europe, but by that standard nobody won, and 'control of [geographical region]' is a pretty poor standard - imagine the Nazi nuclear program going well until it doesn't, spreading radioactive dust in Northern Europe and the Mediterranean, making it a wasteland for the next 500years. The western Allies (sans Britain, that now only sports five sheep, having 8 heads among them) go: 'yeah, keep that shit') - and what you consider to be the Soviets. I'm keeping your vagueness (hah!) and answer thusly: While the US build their nuclear arsenal, the Soviets don't - without a nuclear shield they don't bother with the tank-tsunami at the borders of Europe either. They exploit that moral highground and instead pour their industrial potential into the civilian uses of nuclear energy. The strains of the Manhattan project, and the following nuclear program on the US were greater than usually acknowledged - the strains on the USSR are sometimes credited with her downfall. Now those strains only pertain to the US. Europe does not quiver from the threat of Soviet nuclear bombs, and Soviet tanks, and instead worries about the hypercapitalist US swinging their dick around with nukes in their pockets. To even out the increasingly monopolar power structure, the EU is created earlier, and far reaching treaties are made with the USSR and the US. More nations loose less than they did in reality, including the USSR, thereby making her the 'winner'.

bukwyrm
  • 5,859
  • 14
  • 27
0

Oleg Guimaoutdinov was a USSR computer scientist who had the idea for a Soviet-version of the internet to supercharge the state's socialist command economy as well as financial transactions. He made a detailed proposal in 1970, but Communist Party leaders went against the idea. They allowed his ally Viktor Glushkov to create a small network called OGAS that began in 1962, but it was cut in 1970. In your timeline, get the leaders to agree to this project and have them agree to the project so the economy can be upgraded and Soviets can establish a lead in technology. This could reduce inefficiencies and quickly tell people how many resources needed to be sent to different locations using technology. It could help exchange important data under the watchful eye of the state. It could also be somewhat available to civilians, which would help make Marxist socialism and the idea of the dictatorship of the proletariat defined in Karl Marx's Critique of the Gotha Program look more appealing technology-wise than capitalism. After all, the first global civilian internet network would be created by Soviet socialists, not by the capitalist west. The USSR would also go down in history as inventing the internet if this system was created from expanding the pre-existing OGAS system.

Tyler Mc
  • 902
  • 5
  • 16
0

Soviet cultural subversion archives it before the soviet union collapse

The former Ex-KGB Yuri Bezmenov in this conference, resumed it means that your country will pass trougth four phases before it get communist

  1. Desmoralization: Bezmenov said the first stage, Demoralization, could take 15 to 20 years to complete because “this is the minimum number of years it takes to educate one generation of students.

    “Another word for demoralization is guilt. Americans are routinely compelled to feel guilty about their society and national history. Guilt is the most powerful force in left-wing politics and academia. People will not accept the radical expansion of punitive government power unless they feel guilty and deserving of punishment.”

  2. Destabilization: The second stage, Destabilization, is much faster, requiring only two to five years under KGB doctrine. In this stage, the fundamentals of the targeted population’s economy, political system, and culture would be attacked, while the demoralized population could not mount much of a defense.

    “A destabilized population becomes obsessed with hypocrisy as the ultimate political sin. They believe the best ideas – individual liberty, sovereign rights, capitalism, even the rule of law – are presented insincerely by sinister powers who seek to exploit and manipulate them. The precious resource of goodwill disappears from society as everyone comes to believe their neighbors hate them and cannot be trusted. Demoralized people lose faith in their nation, history, and ideals; destabilized people lose faith in each other.”

  3. Crisis: Once a society has been destabilized, Bezmenov said the time would be ripe to create a Crisis, which he estimated would take six to eight weeks in the Eighties. With turbo Internet speed, the modern era can punch out a crisis much faster than that.

    “A crisis has the obvious benefit of panicking demoralized, destabilized people into abandoning their legal protections and constitutional ideals.”

    “If you wanted to work at the store so you could feed your family in late March, you were selfishly trying to “kill my Grandma to pad your bank account.” If you wanted to burn the store down in early June to protest white supremacy, nobody mentioned their imperiled grandmothers.”

    “The threat of a crisis is essential for terrorizing the middle class into accepting a political agenda that is actively hostile to its interests, which leads to the fourth stage of subversion: the offer to make the pain and fear go away by accepting political domination.”

  4. Normalization: After a crisis, with a violent change of the power structure and economy, you have a so-called period of Normalization that may last indefinitely,” Bezmenov said, arriving at the fourth stage of subversion.

    “Normalization is a cynical expression borrowed from Soviet propaganda,” he explained.

    “Bezmenov, however, was insistent that American left-wing professors and civil-rights leaders were deliberately running Andropov’s strategy with a conscious effort to achieve destabilization, the step that truly distinguishes ideological subversion from the usual promises to put a chicken in every pot.”

Resumed by: https://lobbyistsforcitizens.com/2020/11/25/four-stages-of-ideological-subversion/ And you decide how this happen faster.

Erdel von Mises
  • 284
  • 1
  • 17
0

In the end of the 80s the KGB knows that the USSR is losing the Cold Ward as they can't keep the pace of the arms race with the USA, Soviet economy is near to collapse and even communist control over the USSR is unsustainable. However, they just switch from arms race to intelligence and prepare a plan in order for the KGB to controll both the USSR and the USA.

First of all, they let the Soviet Union collapse - they can't avoid it anyway - but put some agents in key positions of Russian administration under Yeltsin. In the 90s one agent becomes prime minister and even president of Russia in the 2000s. Meanwhile an elite agency of KGB agents and spies - now with a new name - keep gathering relevant information on American politics and using it to fuel their political allies in USA and to keep them under control.

In the 2010s the Russian puppet candidate becomes president of the Unites States, backs Russian invasion of former Soviet republics to rebuild the Russian Empire, stops any American effort to support democracy anywhere (specially in Russia and its satellite states) and disrupts US international trade causing American economy to collapse until a point it can't afford its military budget while wrecking the US diplomatic position on the World by making as many enemies as possible.

Then, US forces are withdrawn from overseas, US are isolated and somewhere between a rump state and a Russian puppet, and the Russians can peacefully take the world. The KGB has actually won the Cold War about 30 years after the dissolution of the USSR.

Pere
  • 4,151
  • 12
  • 20
  • Acknowledging that the Soviet Union would collapse -- as would the Warsaw Pact -- doesn't answer the question of how the Soviets would win the Cold War. – RonJohn May 14 '17 at 17:36
  • Who are the Soviets? In this story line the Soviets rebuild the Russian Empire and take over the USA and the world - under the tune of the Soviet hymn. If the name bothers you, In the end they could even style themselves USSR and restore its flag or even rename the UNO as USSR. In fact, the main difference between my answer and the question is that the Russians win a few decades after the nominal end of the Cold War, although historians in my alternate time line might say that the Cold War ended in the 2010s or the 2020s. – Pere May 14 '17 at 18:01
  • "Who are the Soviets?" You need to do a bit of research before asking such questions. – RonJohn May 14 '17 at 18:05
  • Of course, I'm not asking you. Have you ever heard about rhetorical questions? (No need to answer this question). Whether a world ruled by former Soviet officials and a former Soviet organization qualifies as the Soviets winning the Cold War doesn't relates to historical research. It is just about the question scope. Let historians in the alternate timeline decide when the Cold War ended and let's enjoy the fiction. – Pere May 14 '17 at 18:15
  • They aren't Soviets if they aren't part of the Soviet Union. – RonJohn May 14 '17 at 18:19
0

Paul O. Müller was was a Austrian theoretical nuclear physicist who was stupidly drafted into the the German army and sent to die on the Russian front at Pechenkino near Sukhinichi on March 9 1942. Instead of having him die have him be captured and then the Soviets use him to run a separate nuclear program rather than use the Rosenberg's to steal the information from us. That way they could be on a par or even ahead of us.

Anita Heuss
  • 357
  • 1
  • 4
0

In 1991, a group of hard core Communist Soviet officers organized an attempted coup d'etat. This was the Avgustovsky Putsch or "August Putsch". The idea of the coup was to oust Gorbachev and roll back his attempts to reform the Soviet economy in order to compete with the United States (and avoid starvation, frankly, as the Soviet economy slowly ground toward a complete standstill).

Gorbachev and others had long known that the USSR had to reform it's economy with or without pressure from the USA (since a collectivist, centrally controlled economy has never worked in all of human history), but the "Star Wars" program initiated by Reagan had really underlined the need to compete with what the US could afford to spend on military R&D. (Why was it so important? Because if the USA could reliably shoot down Russian nuclear missiles, the entire balance of terror is totally thrown out of whack and the USSR becomes little more than a 2nd world military with a 3d world economy).

In our alternate reality, the coup is successful. Hard line Communists succeed in capturing the centers of power in the USSR. Glastnost is stopped in it's tracks. There is no "privatization" (and lawless chaos) under Yeltsin. Instead, the old guard politburo members who hold on to power through sheer force of rolling tanks through the streets of several major cities keep the secession wave to a minimum, only losing 2 or 3 Soviet Republics and maintaining control over Ukraine.

The USSR economy is still a complete wreck though, but that would soon cease to be relevant.

Desperate in the face of ongoing domestic turmoil and constant shortages and lacking a singular, charismatic leader thanks to the balance of power held by several senior Politburo members and generals, the Soviet junta decides that desperate times call for desperate measures and seeks to negotiate with the EU.

In the aftermath of the heady and massively hyped reunification of Germany, the liberal leaders of Western Europe are receptive to overtures from the USSR for a diplomatic end to the Cold War, and even allow a vote on officially allowing the USSR to join the EU, despite loud objections from the USA.

Amid tremendous media fanfare, the EU and USSR officially begin a complicated series of pacts and deals that will eventually lead to a de-facto merger between the two economic spheres. What the junta don't tell their people is that in effect, many of the measures of Glasnost and Perestroika will be implemented in any event in order to allow for inter operable and relatively free trade with Western Europe, but these reforms will be staged, will vary from region to region, and will be heavily regulated.

Within 5 years, it's all over but for the crying from the USA (which does not stop). As Germany, France, and other major European powers have to choose between their utopianist "European Project" and the NATO alliance they don't want to pay for anyway, NATO is relegated to the ash bin and declared obsolete as it eventually becomes a US-UK-Turkey club with little realistic hope of "containing" anything.

In the USA, the election of Bill Clinton stifles a lot of the howling from Washington, which frees up the EU-USSR bloc to really consolidate. Brussels and Moscow have a lot of bureaucratic infighting to figure out, but in the end, Russian tanks trump French farms and the USSR does radically outnumber any other member of the club. Following the pattern of forcing the UN to count USSR member states as nations for purposes of voting in the UN, the USSR does the same trick in the EU Parliament, dominating the decision making process within 10 years.

This all leads to a "Brexit" rather earlier than in our real history (I'd say by about 2004 at most). In the meantime, the still desperately sick economy of the USSR has effectively sucked the life out of Western Europe even as it systematically extended military control all the way to the Atlantic coast.

Rising gas prices help the EUSSR recover economically as well as a singularly dramatic event in New York on Sept 11, 2001. After what amounts to a religious war against the USA is declared, the EUSSR wisely steps aside and facilitates the US "War On Terror" while secretly feeding arms and supplies to anyone shooting at US troops. After 8 years of rising costs with no clear benefit, a US President is elected (Obama) with an agenda that amounts to "full retreat" on all fronts.

The EUSSR spends 8 years spreading influence around the world while oil prices remain high thanks to an endless war on "Terror", and America's economy stalls. By managing the ongoing friction between China and the USA, the EUSSR emerges as the dominant global superpower despite a still very shaky economy and vast discrepancies in lifestyle between it's Westernmost and Easternmost regions.

JBiggs
  • 9,601
  • 1
  • 24
  • 43
  • 1
    By 1991, the USSR was going to collapse, no matter what Reagan did. Their economic system was so dysfunctional that it would have collapsed in 1981 without the 1970s oil shocks. In fact, more important than SDI was Carter's 1979 executive order to remove price controls by 1981. The resulting glut caused Soviet oil revenue (which was a significant source of hard currency) to tank. – RonJohn May 14 '17 at 18:11
-1

Soviets don't go over the Germany, but stop at the border after gaining some territories in Europe. That way it would still have all the benefits from those countries, but would leave Germany with some army and with Hitler, so it would still do some harm in France, England and so on. US and other countries would lose more lifes, taking more time to recover.

This "extra" that Soviets didn't expend on Germany could be used to help China against Japan, so that Japan wouldn't be a US ally after the war.

woliveirajr
  • 155
  • 5
  • 6
    That’s entirely unrealistic. The desire for destroying the German invaders and marauders was what kept the Red Army fighting despite heavy losses. Also, conquering land in the East was Hitler’s main motivation, occupying France etc. just needed to be done to make that possible. – Crissov Dec 10 '15 at 08:40
  • Well, in that sense, all answers are unrealistic, since no one is able to test the hypothesis. And the question was very clear: "there was not single realistic 'miracle' which would have guaranteed a certain different outcome", so I don't think the OP was expecting a 100% proof. – woliveirajr Dec 11 '15 at 11:18
  • 2
    You would at least have to provide a reason to make their stop at the border somewhat believable. Occupying Eastern Europe was not the SU’s or Stalin’s top agenda. – Crissov Dec 11 '15 at 11:32
-1

No Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1968 - the Soviets basically buy off the government in Prague instead and use it as a showcase for Westerners. The major unrest in Europe that was ongoing at the time does not lose its significant pro-Communist slant and Left election victories sweep through Europe, leading to countries like France leaving NATO and adopting a "Czech-like" soft-socialism or "Finland-like" capitalist nonaligment approach.